Comments on: Creationist group hands out Darwin’s ‘Origin’ on campus

By: Jerome Bauer

Jerome Bauer — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:30:59 +0000

I think it is wonderful that Student Life published this story. They could have ignored these outsiders exercising their right to free speech on our campus.

I showed this article and its comment thread (then 79 entries) to my SLU American Christianity class, to make my point that this is a live issue, on and off campus.

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By: ericcorrick74

ericcorrick74 — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:03:52 +0000

Xavier. Yes I can be reached there.

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By: Xavier Velasco-Suarez

Xavier Velasco-Suarez — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:38:12 +0000

I just want to reach Eric. Do I get you in ericcorrick74@yahoo.com? Man, I just want to congratulate you for your guts, and would also like to comment on some of your statements. Yes, I do have an “agenda” too, but who doesn’t?

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By: Dave Johnson

Dave Johnson — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:31:15 +0000

WHAT??? I’ll go to Hell if I don’t accept Jesus as my Lord & Savior?? Why didn’t anyone tell me this SOONER?? I mean CHRIST I’m 41 years old! Think of all the times I could have died and no one ever mentioned it to me before, EVER!! Imagine that? This fascinating and life changing information has only been made available to me for the very first time today. Wow. What callous, uncaring and horrible people those who have this information and aren’t sharing it must be!! Wow!

I hope they turn into broken record non-information spewing ignoramuses who incessantly spread the word!

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By: ericcorrick74

ericcorrick74 — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:04:39 +0000

Answer from an honest heart: Ever lied (even once)? Stolen (the value is irrelevant)? Then you’re a lying thief. Bad news huh? There’s more. Have you had sex out of marriage? If so, you’re a fornicator. Jesus said, “Whosoever looks upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart.” If you have hated someone, the Bible says you’re a murderer. What’s more, you have a conscience (con-science means “with knowledge”), so when you sin, you do it with knowledge it’s wrong.

Bearing in mind that God is perfect, and that He has seen your thought life, when you stand before Him on Judgment Day will you be innocent or guilty? You know you will be guilty, and end up in Hell. Perhaps you don’t believe that. That means there’s more bad news for you, because it will happen anyway no matter what you believe. That brings us to the good news: “God commended His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.” Jesus Christ took your punishment, then He rose from the dead and defeated the grave. That’s good news because if you repent and trust Him, God will forgive you and grant you everlasting life – That is the bad news & the Good News, so you do now have understanding of the Gospel.
If you are TRULY seeking God you will find Him. If you need evidence for a creator you have that by opening your eyes and looking at creation. Its that simple.

If you would like to dig deeper, (whether you do or don’t is irrelevant of the existence of Absolute Truth) here are some books I would highly recommend you look into.

1) The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel
2) The Case for Christ…….by Lee Strobel
3) The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict..by Josh McDowell

Thank you everyone who commented and read this forum. I will conclude with this being my last post. My work here is finished in the sense of You have heard the Gospel and have been given overwhelming evidence in (especially if you look into the 3 books listed above) as to the proven fact you were specially created by a Holy, Just & Good God. In the end It really comes down to your Free Will which was graciously given to you by God to decide for yourself who you will serve. Since you may not be 100% sure, it would be to your advantage to act quickly and efficiently in your studies because 10 out of 10 people die and no one knows when your day is calling you. May God Bless you on your journey.

Eric

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By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:45:05 +0000

Fred Phelps sadly was in St. Louis not long ago, promoting his hatred. Thankfully a local church went out to spread the truth..

All this arguing is pointless. I advise every creationist, every evolutionist, an every “Free”thinker to go to http://www.needgod.com take the test, tell me how you do.

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By: ericcorrick74

ericcorrick74 — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:57:45 +0000

@huntershaven. Now I remember who Fred Phelps is. I’ll make my statement concerning him short. He is not christian. He is a false teacher. He is racist. There are many who have and are using the name of “Christianity” tagged to their personal agenda. Its not good, and is in fact a sad reality. I’m not saying it doesnt happen.
You mr huntershaven trying to lump me and Mr. Speed to a group that says they are christian(when they clearly are not regardless of the tag behind their name) , would be like me lumping YOU into a group with CREATION SCIENTIST that hold to ID. That would not make sense and YOU would deny that you adhere to that group holding to ID. Give me a break Hunter. Your letting your Emotions override your logic. Please slow down as it has been show that people do not make logical rational conclusions when their emotions are the dominant driving force behind the judgements they make.

He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life: but the wrath of God abides on Him. John 3:36

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By: ericcorrick74

ericcorrick74 — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:04:55 +0000

@Huntershaven, You should do your homework sir. YOU SAID,”This is one of the many reasons I take most devout christians with a grain of salt. I have seen what faith does when taken to extremes. A good number of “true christians” believe killing abortion doctors and staff is morally correct, that AIDS is a gift to homosexuals and that women should be seen and not heard. If that is what you want to brag about being “true christians,” then congregate with Fred Phelps and continue to display your disdain for learning, knowledge and science.”
MY RESPONSE: You need to name here whom you are calling “true christians”, because anyone that kills abortion doctors and says that AIDS IS A GIFT to homosexuals is not a christian no matter what they profess to be. The women should be seen and not heard comment is absurd. I don’t know who Fred Phelps is, and don’t really care at the moment. As far as you claiming that I am displaying a disdain for learning, knowledge and science is quite funny and you are doing a good job of making yourself look ridiculous. I love learning as I do teach, have a degree, and I love science. My wife is studying to be an RN and so we talk often about how science has MOST DEFINITELY HELPED HUMANITY in the area of sickness, disease, medicine, etc. Science is GOOD.

Huntershaven said: Given that the christian faith is based upon slightly modified or borrowed creation myths, belief systems and philosophies of cultures that predated it as well as containing numerous examples of metaphor, allegories and words written decades if not generations after events happened, it is not something I would use as a factual, historic document. The bible as it is known today is not even the entire works of all writers who wrote supposedly with the inspiration of a supposed deity.

MY RESPONSE: Mr. Hunter haven sir you are quite ignorant in your summary of HISTORICAL & ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE concerning the Bible. Tommorow is Thanksgiving, and its late here now, but will return on Friday to bring evidence to this forum concerning the historical & archeological evidence of the Bible which will show you that it is credible & trustworthy. Mr. Haven, you really need to do your homework as the messages you have posted & that I have posted show that I do desire to TRULY DISCUSS MATTERS & you want to take jabs at true christians by lumping them with false christians. You could show some respect. I’m not lumping you with True Scientist. Oh, and as far as me continuing to browbeat others with my unprovable faith, which is what you said, not I. I’m not trying nor plan to try to prove faith. Everyone has faith (in something). I’m giving and or will continue to give evidence to prove there is an Intelligent Being called God whose name is Jesus Christ who You, Me and every human being will encounter one day either in this life or the moment your heart beats its last beat. Mr. Hunter please do your homework & not opinions when making your claims. Its old and I don’t have a lot of time to chase your rabbit trails. God Bless & have a happy, safe Thanksgiving.

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By: hunters_haven

hunters_haven — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:28:08 +0000

I do not debate with those who have no desire to truly discuss matters. ericcorrick74 and Jon Speed, you both have zero desire to contemplate anything that is outside of your rigid faith adherence.

Honestly, I treat the personal faiths of others as just that, their own personal faiths. I strongly try not to disparage different beliefs, but given that both of you have no desire to discuss topics on a factual, scientific basis there is no point in you continuing to browbeat others with your unprovable faiths.

Given that the christian faith is based upon slightly modified or borrowed creation myths, belief systems and philosophies of cultures that predated it as well as containing numerous examples of metaphor, allegories and words written decades if not generations after events happened, it is not something I would use as a factual, historic document. The bible as it is known today is not even the entire works of all writers who wrote supposedly with the inspiration of a supposed deity.

This is one of the many reasons I take most devout christians with a grain of salt. I have seen what faith does when taken to extremes. A good number of “true christians” believe killing abortion doctors and staff is morally correct, that AIDS is a gift to homosexuals and that women should be seen and not heard. If that is what you want to brag about being “true christians,” then congregate with Fred Phelps and continue to display your disdain for learning, knowledge and science.

I know that some of Darwin’s theories are incorrect when viewed 150 years later, but given the level of scientific understanding at the time, they are rather insightful. We have come a long way since then, particularly from a time when so many things seemed to be based on the power of a deity because we could not understand how it could have happened otherwise.

Faith and science are two distinctly different things. Faith can neither be proven nor disproven while science can prove or disprove theories with experiments and data.

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By: ericcorrick74

ericcorrick74 — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:06:36 +0000

@Rickk On November 23, 2009 at 7:11 am RickK said

By the way, it is only a few radical Christians that promote this ID nonsense. The following is a statement signed by over 12,000 Christian CLERGY:

“We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children.”

Full text, with names and affiliations of all signers are found here:
http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/Christian_Clergy/ChrClergyLtr.htm

So while Ray Comfort’s followers (and some of the commenters above) may be comfortable with “transmitting ignorance to children”, most Christians are not. End of Rickk statement.

My Response: I reviewed several (not all 12,000) names and churches who signed this statement. Most do not even adhere to the Doctrine of Christ nor the Apostles Doctrine as being infallible. Many, Many people, and churches tag the name “christian” to their title. So while Richard Dawkins & his followers, and the 12,000 so called christians that signed the clergy letter project (and some of the commenters above) may be comfortable with “transmitting ignorance to children”, True Christians are not.

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