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	<title>Comments on: WUPD connects assault with possible hazing</title>
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		<title>By: S</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/11/20/wupd-connects-assault-with-possible-hazing/#comment-4919</link>
		<dc:creator>S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Clear hazing incident?&quot; Point to me in this article what adds up to a &quot;clear hazing incident.&quot; What is clear are the statements from every party even potentially involved, minus WUPD, indicating that it has nothing to do with any organization in Greek life. 

I don&#039;t find this article confusing at all, despite its attempts to make the reader gloss over what is being said with vague statements and irrelevant passages in an attempt to make someone, anyone, believe that this was hazing.

This was, instead, garbage and a waste of my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Clear hazing incident?&#8221; Point to me in this article what adds up to a &#8220;clear hazing incident.&#8221; What is clear are the statements from every party even potentially involved, minus WUPD, indicating that it has nothing to do with any organization in Greek life. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find this article confusing at all, despite its attempts to make the reader gloss over what is being said with vague statements and irrelevant passages in an attempt to make someone, anyone, believe that this was hazing.</p>
<p>This was, instead, garbage and a waste of my time.</p>
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		<title>By: hmmmmm</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/11/20/wupd-connects-assault-with-possible-hazing/#comment-4446</link>
		<dc:creator>hmmmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A Student Life investigation found that...&quot;
doesn&#039;t really sound like all of this was public knowledge and seems that studlife did a bit of dirt digging on their own.

Regardless, I want to agree with most people by saying that publishing their names and publicly humiliating all involved is wrong, but on the other hand I want to agree with Jerry. I&#039;m torn.

This does read like a tabloid though, I would expect washu to have it&#039;s own gossip publication by now (ever since Juicycampus shut down), but I guess studlife is taking that matter into their own hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A Student Life investigation found that&#8230;&#8221;<br />
doesn&#8217;t really sound like all of this was public knowledge and seems that studlife did a bit of dirt digging on their own.</p>
<p>Regardless, I want to agree with most people by saying that publishing their names and publicly humiliating all involved is wrong, but on the other hand I want to agree with Jerry. I&#8217;m torn.</p>
<p>This does read like a tabloid though, I would expect washu to have it&#8217;s own gossip publication by now (ever since Juicycampus shut down), but I guess studlife is taking that matter into their own hands.</p>
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		<title>By: JRD</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/11/20/wupd-connects-assault-with-possible-hazing/#comment-4415</link>
		<dc:creator>JRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the confusion with the article stems from the fact that this was not truly a hazing incident which the headline states. When the facts are clearly explained it appears to have been an incident between Potter and Biehl, while Michelle was an agreeing party. Although Michelle being tied up was egregious on the part of Potter and one of his brothers, this as well as the assault are not something that needs to be clearly associated with Sigma Nu. Rather it seemed to be an ill thought out prank of sorts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the confusion with the article stems from the fact that this was not truly a hazing incident which the headline states. When the facts are clearly explained it appears to have been an incident between Potter and Biehl, while Michelle was an agreeing party. Although Michelle being tied up was egregious on the part of Potter and one of his brothers, this as well as the assault are not something that needs to be clearly associated with Sigma Nu. Rather it seemed to be an ill thought out prank of sorts.</p>
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		<title>By: Reasonable?</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/11/20/wupd-connects-assault-with-possible-hazing/#comment-4389</link>
		<dc:creator>Reasonable?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I disagree with the use of students&#039; names and I have often found Student Life&#039;s topic choices to be a bit sensational, I agree with everything Jerry points out.  

I also think those who are stating that the article is confusing are being disingenuous.  What, specifically, is confusing to you?  And if you can&#039;t explain your confusion clearly, should you really be attending WU?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I disagree with the use of students&#8217; names and I have often found Student Life&#8217;s topic choices to be a bit sensational, I agree with everything Jerry points out.  </p>
<p>I also think those who are stating that the article is confusing are being disingenuous.  What, specifically, is confusing to you?  And if you can&#8217;t explain your confusion clearly, should you really be attending WU?</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/11/20/wupd-connects-assault-with-possible-hazing/#comment-4354</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, you make it sound like people should actually respect their SU senators...funny, that doesn&#039;t really happen here.

Even if the names were available in &quot;public record&quot; which it appears they were not actually to the extent that StudLife took it, it&#039;s irresponsible to combine names with what appears to be an inaccurate or irresponsible report of the events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, you make it sound like people should actually respect their SU senators&#8230;funny, that doesn&#8217;t really happen here.</p>
<p>Even if the names were available in &#8220;public record&#8221; which it appears they were not actually to the extent that StudLife took it, it&#8217;s irresponsible to combine names with what appears to be an inaccurate or irresponsible report of the events.</p>
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		<title>By: student</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/11/20/wupd-connects-assault-with-possible-hazing/#comment-4349</link>
		<dc:creator>student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently studlife draws its reporters from JuicyCampus. Great job guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently studlife draws its reporters from JuicyCampus. Great job guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Facts</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/11/20/wupd-connects-assault-with-possible-hazing/#comment-4342</link>
		<dc:creator>Facts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the police blotter:
ASSAULT  Oct. 30 2009-Friday at 23:30
Location : RUTLEDGE DORM  090598
Summary:  One student assaulted two others while at a Halloween party and investigation into this incident found it had started earlier in the week during a Fraternity ritual  Disposition:  Cleared by referral to JA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the police blotter:<br />
ASSAULT  Oct. 30 2009-Friday at 23:30<br />
Location : RUTLEDGE DORM  090598<br />
Summary:  One student assaulted two others while at a Halloween party and investigation into this incident found it had started earlier in the week during a Fraternity ritual  Disposition:  Cleared by referral to JA.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/11/20/wupd-connects-assault-with-possible-hazing/#comment-4335</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like some sour grapes from the commenters above. 

For various reasons, this article is an appropriate topic to report on:

1. There was an assault which, along with the names of those involved, was public record as part of a WUPD investigation; 

2. There was a clear hazing incident involved, which, while perhaps not newsworthy on its own, is a bit more intriguing when it happens at a fraternity founded on the very premise of non-hazing, and 

3. most importantly, involved the kidnapping and public humiliation of a SU senator. Imagine if a US Senator were kidnapped and thrown onto the floor of the Senate chamber - I think that would be big news. 

This article, while a bit dry, was fairly and accurately reported, and appears to have actually contacted those involved, rather than just cribbed from a WUPD police blotter. For that alone, StudLife surpasses the journalistic standards of most professional media organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like some sour grapes from the commenters above. </p>
<p>For various reasons, this article is an appropriate topic to report on:</p>
<p>1. There was an assault which, along with the names of those involved, was public record as part of a WUPD investigation; </p>
<p>2. There was a clear hazing incident involved, which, while perhaps not newsworthy on its own, is a bit more intriguing when it happens at a fraternity founded on the very premise of non-hazing, and </p>
<p>3. most importantly, involved the kidnapping and public humiliation of a SU senator. Imagine if a US Senator were kidnapped and thrown onto the floor of the Senate chamber &#8211; I think that would be big news. </p>
<p>This article, while a bit dry, was fairly and accurately reported, and appears to have actually contacted those involved, rather than just cribbed from a WUPD police blotter. For that alone, StudLife surpasses the journalistic standards of most professional media organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: AF</title>
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		<dc:creator>AF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion Stud Life, with this article, turned itself into a tabloid.  There was no reason to print this article and embarrass students  who are probably working to put this behind them.

Additionally, I would suggest to student life that in a case like this, where no one has been charged with anything, they take into consideration the various cache pages that will hold this article forever.  This article will become part of google&#039;s catalog and become searchable by future employers and others.  It is irresponsible to report events like this that have 1) been dropped by all authorities, 2) are damaging to the character of those named and 3) personal matters between, of all people, former roommates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion Stud Life, with this article, turned itself into a tabloid.  There was no reason to print this article and embarrass students  who are probably working to put this behind them.</p>
<p>Additionally, I would suggest to student life that in a case like this, where no one has been charged with anything, they take into consideration the various cache pages that will hold this article forever.  This article will become part of google&#8217;s catalog and become searchable by future employers and others.  It is irresponsible to report events like this that have 1) been dropped by all authorities, 2) are damaging to the character of those named and 3) personal matters between, of all people, former roommates.</p>
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		<title>By: bght</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/11/20/wupd-connects-assault-with-possible-hazing/#comment-4320</link>
		<dc:creator>bght</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is terribly written. i had to read some phrases three or four times before i understood what i should be confused about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is terribly written. i had to read some phrases three or four times before i understood what i should be confused about.</p>
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