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	<title>Comments on: WU commission investigating officer’s encounter with student</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Bies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Bies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I can&#039;t say anything about the issue at hand (I agree with jbird that those of us not directly involved do not yet have enough facts to make a judgement), I will say that, assuming what Strom says is true, this seems to be a problem not with WUPD but with WU students and staff.  

&quot;Strom also noted that many of the contacts between University police and people on campus are generated by calls from University members who are reporting what they perceive to be suspicious behavior.&quot;

How can we fault the officers for simply responding to the reports of suspicious activity they have received?  It would appear that a great deal of the racial discrimination could be alleviated simply by educating members of the WU community on what does and doesn&#039;t constitute suspicious behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I can&#8217;t say anything about the issue at hand (I agree with jbird that those of us not directly involved do not yet have enough facts to make a judgement), I will say that, assuming what Strom says is true, this seems to be a problem not with WUPD but with WU students and staff.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Strom also noted that many of the contacts between University police and people on campus are generated by calls from University members who are reporting what they perceive to be suspicious behavior.&#8221;</p>
<p>How can we fault the officers for simply responding to the reports of suspicious activity they have received?  It would appear that a great deal of the racial discrimination could be alleviated simply by educating members of the WU community on what does and doesn&#8217;t constitute suspicious behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: wustl</title>
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		<dc:creator>wustl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess we shouldn&#039;t profile men anymore with regard to crime despite the fact that there are much more likely to commit crime than women.  Isn&#039;t this gender prejudice.  We shouldn&#039;t have an SU inquiry into gender profiling on campus and while were at it maybe they can appoint a commission to search for manbearpig on campus.  It would surely be more useful than searching for water on campus like they are doing now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess we shouldn&#8217;t profile men anymore with regard to crime despite the fact that there are much more likely to commit crime than women.  Isn&#8217;t this gender prejudice.  We shouldn&#8217;t have an SU inquiry into gender profiling on campus and while were at it maybe they can appoint a commission to search for manbearpig on campus.  It would surely be more useful than searching for water on campus like they are doing now.</p>
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		<title>By: jbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s really sad to see how quick people are to &#039;pick a side&#039; unflinchingly. it&#039;s not so clear that this was or was not racial profiling. we will never know. perhaps the officer really thought he had two laptop bags--in that case it was not. but maybe he didn&#039;t. simply because he lied so as to not disclose the stakeout doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s doing so to &quot;cover up his (racist) tracks&quot;. i&#039;m not sure if we can label him as racial profiling or as just striking out on the basis of a judgment call.

second, i don&#039;t see why anybody can sooooo quickly say that it is absurd NOT to use race as a factor just because more black people are more likely to commit crimes. besides the possibilities that blacks are oversampled (on account of being black and, varying by location, perhaps on the proportion of black people overall), simply saying &quot;yes--use race!&quot; seems naive. i hate to be prejudice the situation but i imagine that 90% of the people who so quickly agree are NOT black. using race as the major factor could exacerbate racial tensions and leave open the possibility of overused discretion by cops. why not oversample whites also so that claims that they are using &#039;race&#039; lose their vigor? i&#039;m not saying we shouldn&#039;t use race at all, but i don&#039;t think it&#039;s as simple as &#039;once we establish its relevance we use it without any hesitation or contriteness&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s really sad to see how quick people are to &#8216;pick a side&#8217; unflinchingly. it&#8217;s not so clear that this was or was not racial profiling. we will never know. perhaps the officer really thought he had two laptop bags&#8211;in that case it was not. but maybe he didn&#8217;t. simply because he lied so as to not disclose the stakeout doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s doing so to &#8220;cover up his (racist) tracks&#8221;. i&#8217;m not sure if we can label him as racial profiling or as just striking out on the basis of a judgment call.</p>
<p>second, i don&#8217;t see why anybody can sooooo quickly say that it is absurd NOT to use race as a factor just because more black people are more likely to commit crimes. besides the possibilities that blacks are oversampled (on account of being black and, varying by location, perhaps on the proportion of black people overall), simply saying &#8220;yes&#8211;use race!&#8221; seems naive. i hate to be prejudice the situation but i imagine that 90% of the people who so quickly agree are NOT black. using race as the major factor could exacerbate racial tensions and leave open the possibility of overused discretion by cops. why not oversample whites also so that claims that they are using &#8216;race&#8217; lose their vigor? i&#8217;m not saying we shouldn&#8217;t use race at all, but i don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as simple as &#8216;once we establish its relevance we use it without any hesitation or contriteness&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: aba</title>
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		<dc:creator>aba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHEN WILL CHANCELOR WRIGHT RESPOND? WILL STUDLIFE INTERVIEW WRIGHT ABOUT THIS INCIDENT?

WHAT IS HIS RESPONSE WHEN THE FINGER OF &#039;RACISM IS POINTED RIGHT AT THE UNIVERSITY?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHEN WILL CHANCELOR WRIGHT RESPOND? WILL STUDLIFE INTERVIEW WRIGHT ABOUT THIS INCIDENT?</p>
<p>WHAT IS HIS RESPONSE WHEN THE FINGER OF &#8216;RACISM IS POINTED RIGHT AT THE UNIVERSITY?</p>
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		<title>By: wustl</title>
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		<dc:creator>wustl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John you complain about crime statistics not being localized to the WashU area.  I challenge you to read the crime alerts put out by our police department and compare the crimes committed by blacks in the area vs whites: http://police.wustl.edu/crimealerts.html.  Ignoring these statistics would be ignorant and jeopardize the safety of the Washington University community.  How come we desire a color blind society only when the minority is put in a negative light, but say when reviewing college or medical school admissions a quota is put on minorities and this is a good thing?  You can&#039;t have it both ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John you complain about crime statistics not being localized to the WashU area.  I challenge you to read the crime alerts put out by our police department and compare the crimes committed by blacks in the area vs whites: <a href="http://police.wustl.edu/crimealerts.html" rel="nofollow">http://police.wustl.edu/crimealerts.html</a>.  Ignoring these statistics would be ignorant and jeopardize the safety of the Washington University community.  How come we desire a color blind society only when the minority is put in a negative light, but say when reviewing college or medical school admissions a quota is put on minorities and this is a good thing?  You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree COMPLETELY with what David and John have said above. Honestly I think people like Grice bring more prejudice against their own race when they pull out the &quot;race card&quot; every time an incident occurs. If you cry wolf too often, no one will take you serious. 

Take the recent incident of the Cambridge police officer. If something looks suspicious, I would much rather have the police double check the situation because nowadays criminals are becoming really good at doing things behind the scenes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree COMPLETELY with what David and John have said above. Honestly I think people like Grice bring more prejudice against their own race when they pull out the &#8220;race card&#8221; every time an incident occurs. If you cry wolf too often, no one will take you serious. </p>
<p>Take the recent incident of the Cambridge police officer. If something looks suspicious, I would much rather have the police double check the situation because nowadays criminals are becoming really good at doing things behind the scenes.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to David: as the student described in the second example, let me clarify my example, since there was a misprint.  

The suspect was wearing a red hoodie. I was wearing a relatively tight fitting red thermal shirt, which looks nothing like a hoodie.  I&#039;m swiping my way into my dorm before 10 pm and I was/am about 7-8 inches shorter than the description if the assailant. I&#039;m visibly overweight, the assailant was supposedly slender. The only match between me and the assailant was a red top (disregarding the different material and design) and being a black male.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to David: as the student described in the second example, let me clarify my example, since there was a misprint.  </p>
<p>The suspect was wearing a red hoodie. I was wearing a relatively tight fitting red thermal shirt, which looks nothing like a hoodie.  I&#8217;m swiping my way into my dorm before 10 pm and I was/am about 7-8 inches shorter than the description if the assailant. I&#8217;m visibly overweight, the assailant was supposedly slender. The only match between me and the assailant was a red top (disregarding the different material and design) and being a black male.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kotsonis</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Kotsonis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John&#039;s comment above seems eminently reasonable. In both cases, the subjects fit a profile for suspicious behavior. 

Laptop thefts? Guy carrying two laptop bags? Suspicious!

Black male wearing red hoodie commits crime? Black male wearing red hoodie sighted shortly after? Suspicious!

&quot;Approached by a police officer as a result of fitting a suspect profile&quot; != &quot;arrested, tried, and sentenced.&quot; The police officers would be actively remiss in their duty if they failed to approach these guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8217;s comment above seems eminently reasonable. In both cases, the subjects fit a profile for suspicious behavior. </p>
<p>Laptop thefts? Guy carrying two laptop bags? Suspicious!</p>
<p>Black male wearing red hoodie commits crime? Black male wearing red hoodie sighted shortly after? Suspicious!</p>
<p>&#8220;Approached by a police officer as a result of fitting a suspect profile&#8221; != &#8220;arrested, tried, and sentenced.&#8221; The police officers would be actively remiss in their duty if they failed to approach these guys!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see any evidence of racial profiling in this story. 

Fact: There has been an increase in the amount of crime including the theft of laptops.
Response: Police officer sees an individual carrying what appears to be two laptop bags leaving a University building and requests the individual to present two forms of identification.

That seems like a reasonable response to me. No arrests. Just asking him for identification. Where is the racial profiling? The logic behind this is: &quot;A black person cannot be suspicious because it is racial profiling.&quot;

When police officers face disciplinary actions after acting in a completely reasonable manner their ability to work effectively in the future MUST be affected. Nobody here knows what was going through this officer&#039;s head but because of the extreme left wing response of students and the University, you can be damn sure he will be thinking about this incident the next time he investigates a suspicious person.

What if that prevents him from stopping a suspicious individual from entering a dorm on the South 40 and raping a freshmen girl? Considering the crime around the WashU campus, I would rather police officers do more than less. 

Being a police officer is difficult. Don&#039;t make it tougher for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see any evidence of racial profiling in this story. </p>
<p>Fact: There has been an increase in the amount of crime including the theft of laptops.<br />
Response: Police officer sees an individual carrying what appears to be two laptop bags leaving a University building and requests the individual to present two forms of identification.</p>
<p>That seems like a reasonable response to me. No arrests. Just asking him for identification. Where is the racial profiling? The logic behind this is: &#8220;A black person cannot be suspicious because it is racial profiling.&#8221;</p>
<p>When police officers face disciplinary actions after acting in a completely reasonable manner their ability to work effectively in the future MUST be affected. Nobody here knows what was going through this officer&#8217;s head but because of the extreme left wing response of students and the University, you can be damn sure he will be thinking about this incident the next time he investigates a suspicious person.</p>
<p>What if that prevents him from stopping a suspicious individual from entering a dorm on the South 40 and raping a freshmen girl? Considering the crime around the WashU campus, I would rather police officers do more than less. </p>
<p>Being a police officer is difficult. Don&#8217;t make it tougher for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So since there is another &quot;race&quot; issue, it would only be right for Wrighton to send a letter to the Mayor of Saint Louis, CNN, NPR, NAACP, Anti-defamation league, all other schools in the area, have a forum about it, and tell all potential students that if they are a minority they might be wrongly accused on campus. That would only be right if they followed the same way they approached the Mother&#039;s issue. 

Maybe we should just put up a big sign at the edges of campus saying &quot;watch out minorities the police are following you&quot; That is essentially what WashU did to Mother&#039;s Bar. 

So when is WUPD going to have race sensitivity training, fundraisers for education, etc?

Think about that, then decide whether WashU took the Mother&#039;s incident way too far.

I agree with John, the whistle just blew now the ball is in your court WashU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So since there is another &#8220;race&#8221; issue, it would only be right for Wrighton to send a letter to the Mayor of Saint Louis, CNN, NPR, NAACP, Anti-defamation league, all other schools in the area, have a forum about it, and tell all potential students that if they are a minority they might be wrongly accused on campus. That would only be right if they followed the same way they approached the Mother&#8217;s issue. </p>
<p>Maybe we should just put up a big sign at the edges of campus saying &#8220;watch out minorities the police are following you&#8221; That is essentially what WashU did to Mother&#8217;s Bar. </p>
<p>So when is WUPD going to have race sensitivity training, fundraisers for education, etc?</p>
<p>Think about that, then decide whether WashU took the Mother&#8217;s incident way too far.</p>
<p>I agree with John, the whistle just blew now the ball is in your court WashU.</p>
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