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		<title>By: Patrick Seaworth</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/09/30/campus-dining-debate-consumes-student-body/comment-page-1/#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Seaworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As my previous response to the above comment (Student, September 30, 2009) was removed from this blog, I here rephrase, reword, and resubmit it, so that it (Offered by a member of the WUSTL community in the hope of bettering the WUSTL community in the newspaper&#039;s self-designated open forum for heartfelt discussion, be it for or against any item) can be heard despite its open and flagrant disagreement with the Editorial Staff, who have continued to poo-poo mediocrity beyond any, rational, reasonable, and ethical standard that should be employed within a student reporting and editorial board.

The price of the cost per hour of Bon Appetite keeping Lopata open is what is deemed a market inefficiency (Here listed as a market inefficiency, because Bon Appetite has a monopoly on the dining services, and thus creates the market, and therein the market inefficiencies, with the obvious irrelevant exception of Subway’s presence on campus.), that was not solved when they last had the chance to do so.

In the addition of services, those services added should have cured the current ailments of the business model currently in place.  I.e. since the dining services new, prior to the opening of the duc and the new facilities on the South 40, that the cost of keeping Lopata open were sufficiently high that they did not believe it feasible to do so, they have a responsibility to present and execute additions to their services in a manner that cures that ail rather than in a manner that simply presents for the students new services rather than better services.  Since I first ate food prepared by Bon Appetite the service has decreased dramatically as it concerns the administrative aspect of that category, while the number of services has continued to increase.

What the students are here being presented is a simple, shameless, slight of hand producing for them new services without curing the old services, and, there in perpetuating a business model that only creates barriers to adequate service being provided to those students they have a responsibility and stated goal of providing food for.

That there is currently a economic recession on going is irrelevant to their ability to claim some form of abatement from the necessity to produce for students that which they said they would do.  That they are unable to create for students food at cost because there is a market event currently on going is a sign of their poor preparation for this kind of event (poor preparation mirrored by the school’s endowment investments), that given its regularity (once every twenty or thirty years since modern markets) should be accounted for.

The editorial board has produced an editorial, essentially stating, that students have an obligation not to forget how good they have it.  Let us not forget that tuition is $37,800 (67th highest for the 2008-2009 school year, and its only going to get higher from there.) per student per year, the college of arts and sciences has 3,700+ students alone, (forget scholarships for the present discussion, due to the fact that those monies are still being collected by the school and that only the source of the money is different), and that the students enrolled are the best students the school could wish for (let citizens not fear their government, let their government fear them, etc.).

If they are unable to provide for students given the allocation of the aforementioned tuition given to them for the provision of services by the university, then the school has a responsibility to its students to replace bon appetite with a company that can produce food at the given allowance without the gaps in services that the previously stated tuition should not allow for.

That the school requests so much of the students and their respective families economically, is in no way unacceptable to me, so long as those monies are used responsibly, however, this very issue shows the slight of hand tricks employed by various groups (also present in the architecturally designs of the buildings that have sprung up over the past handful of years) charged with providing for the students services that should be greatly expanded in some areas.  

In drafting, the first rule given to the student is ‘form follows function’, the kind of ‘ooo’ and ‘aww ‘effect that dining services is producing is at the very heart of the problems facing the university as it attempts to move itself into the circle in which it belongs.  I.e., within the top ten, if not the top five, were the resources (students, professors, facilities, opportunities, etc.) adequately and properly consumed and dispensed by the administrators currently in charge of the university.

The services offered at WUSTL by Bon Appetite are nowhere near unrivalled, they are not at all times, or for that matter, even mostly superb, and the administrators in charge of food services have shown themselves to be further entrenching flaws within their business models as they add on services rather than improving the service those services are attached to, when given the opportunity to eradicate and dispel them from their services provided to WUSTL students.

The editorial position of this newspaper is one that celebrates mediocrity, the kind that is as hollow and (as disappointing as it is to those of us truly concerned with the school, and its future), prevalent as the walls of the new dorms, and the kind that holds back rather than pushes forward positive change.

Respectfully Submitted,
Patrick S. Seaworth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As my previous response to the above comment (Student, September 30, 2009) was removed from this blog, I here rephrase, reword, and resubmit it, so that it (Offered by a member of the WUSTL community in the hope of bettering the WUSTL community in the newspaper&#8217;s self-designated open forum for heartfelt discussion, be it for or against any item) can be heard despite its open and flagrant disagreement with the Editorial Staff, who have continued to poo-poo mediocrity beyond any, rational, reasonable, and ethical standard that should be employed within a student reporting and editorial board.</p>
<p>The price of the cost per hour of Bon Appetite keeping Lopata open is what is deemed a market inefficiency (Here listed as a market inefficiency, because Bon Appetite has a monopoly on the dining services, and thus creates the market, and therein the market inefficiencies, with the obvious irrelevant exception of Subway’s presence on campus.), that was not solved when they last had the chance to do so.</p>
<p>In the addition of services, those services added should have cured the current ailments of the business model currently in place.  I.e. since the dining services new, prior to the opening of the duc and the new facilities on the South 40, that the cost of keeping Lopata open were sufficiently high that they did not believe it feasible to do so, they have a responsibility to present and execute additions to their services in a manner that cures that ail rather than in a manner that simply presents for the students new services rather than better services.  Since I first ate food prepared by Bon Appetite the service has decreased dramatically as it concerns the administrative aspect of that category, while the number of services has continued to increase.</p>
<p>What the students are here being presented is a simple, shameless, slight of hand producing for them new services without curing the old services, and, there in perpetuating a business model that only creates barriers to adequate service being provided to those students they have a responsibility and stated goal of providing food for.</p>
<p>That there is currently a economic recession on going is irrelevant to their ability to claim some form of abatement from the necessity to produce for students that which they said they would do.  That they are unable to create for students food at cost because there is a market event currently on going is a sign of their poor preparation for this kind of event (poor preparation mirrored by the school’s endowment investments), that given its regularity (once every twenty or thirty years since modern markets) should be accounted for.</p>
<p>The editorial board has produced an editorial, essentially stating, that students have an obligation not to forget how good they have it.  Let us not forget that tuition is $37,800 (67th highest for the 2008-2009 school year, and its only going to get higher from there.) per student per year, the college of arts and sciences has 3,700+ students alone, (forget scholarships for the present discussion, due to the fact that those monies are still being collected by the school and that only the source of the money is different), and that the students enrolled are the best students the school could wish for (let citizens not fear their government, let their government fear them, etc.).</p>
<p>If they are unable to provide for students given the allocation of the aforementioned tuition given to them for the provision of services by the university, then the school has a responsibility to its students to replace bon appetite with a company that can produce food at the given allowance without the gaps in services that the previously stated tuition should not allow for.</p>
<p>That the school requests so much of the students and their respective families economically, is in no way unacceptable to me, so long as those monies are used responsibly, however, this very issue shows the slight of hand tricks employed by various groups (also present in the architecturally designs of the buildings that have sprung up over the past handful of years) charged with providing for the students services that should be greatly expanded in some areas.  </p>
<p>In drafting, the first rule given to the student is ‘form follows function’, the kind of ‘ooo’ and ‘aww ‘effect that dining services is producing is at the very heart of the problems facing the university as it attempts to move itself into the circle in which it belongs.  I.e., within the top ten, if not the top five, were the resources (students, professors, facilities, opportunities, etc.) adequately and properly consumed and dispensed by the administrators currently in charge of the university.</p>
<p>The services offered at WUSTL by Bon Appetite are nowhere near unrivalled, they are not at all times, or for that matter, even mostly superb, and the administrators in charge of food services have shown themselves to be further entrenching flaws within their business models as they add on services rather than improving the service those services are attached to, when given the opportunity to eradicate and dispel them from their services provided to WUSTL students.</p>
<p>The editorial position of this newspaper is one that celebrates mediocrity, the kind that is as hollow and (as disappointing as it is to those of us truly concerned with the school, and its future), prevalent as the walls of the new dorms, and the kind that holds back rather than pushes forward positive change.</p>
<p>Respectfully Submitted,<br />
Patrick S. Seaworth</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Seaworth</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/09/30/campus-dining-debate-consumes-student-body/comment-page-1/#comment-891</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Seaworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, that would be the point.  That their inefficiencies are presented to the student body as fact of acceptance, that negatively impacts student&#039;s dining options.  Rather than solving those problems and then presenting the solutions to the student body, they instead present the problem as a reason not to solve the issue at hand and as a reason not to improve their service.  That the students are reasonable and look at those obstacles is something they are taking advantage of, and something that becomes part of the culture.  Where students being presented the obstacles that the administrators and various groups encounter rather than the solutions to those barriers to service becomes the norm that goes unquestioned rather than he exception held up as a wrong that needs to be addressed. - best, ps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, that would be the point.  That their inefficiencies are presented to the student body as fact of acceptance, that negatively impacts student&#8217;s dining options.  Rather than solving those problems and then presenting the solutions to the student body, they instead present the problem as a reason not to solve the issue at hand and as a reason not to improve their service.  That the students are reasonable and look at those obstacles is something they are taking advantage of, and something that becomes part of the culture.  Where students being presented the obstacles that the administrators and various groups encounter rather than the solutions to those barriers to service becomes the norm that goes unquestioned rather than he exception held up as a wrong that needs to be addressed. &#8211; best, ps</p>
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		<title>By: student</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/09/30/campus-dining-debate-consumes-student-body/comment-page-1/#comment-856</link>
		<dc:creator>student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the dining forum last night, and I believe they said that in order to keep the village open later at night it would cost approximately $350 per hour. So... to keep it open for an extra three hours would be $1050. Dining Services isn&#039;t so sure that it can make that amount of money later at night in the Village.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the dining forum last night, and I believe they said that in order to keep the village open later at night it would cost approximately $350 per hour. So&#8230; to keep it open for an extra three hours would be $1050. Dining Services isn&#8217;t so sure that it can make that amount of money later at night in the Village.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Seaworth</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/09/30/campus-dining-debate-consumes-student-body/comment-page-1/#comment-852</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Seaworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a really common misconception that has spread across campus over the past few years, that improvements in services (of any kind) should negate the need for more improvements or for those improvements to be actual improvements.  the duc was nice, and yet the way it was built leeds to systemic issues that can&#039;t be address given the way in which the building was constructed.  dining services doesn&#039;t need to take counts of students to know that the village, right next to the row and upperclassman dorms, should be open late,etc. regardless of the hours of various dining locations, the dining locations should be open with at least one 24 hr location on campus and which once it is is irrelevant so long as there is one to which students who haven&#039;t anticipated being hungry have a safe location within walking distance from which to obtain food other than vending machines with respect to health concerns of those students needing food (the same reasoning for keeping whispers open 24 hrs). the old bears den never had ropes and lines and the students were able to work everything out on their own (even during drunk peek hours) just by bothering to take a second to ask the people around them if they had ordered yet, and then the rest fell on the cooks to remember what they are placing onto the grill (which even the high ones were able to do), and the atmoshpere was there in one that was friendly and where no one really was bothered by sitting there a few minutes while waiting on food because everyone was sociable and it was a place to socialize while waiting on food even during peek hours, thus leading to the students not having to facebook later in the day while studying.  yes, to a certain extent dining services have improved, however, the improvements themselves need to usual tweaking of beta versions, and that the services are &#039;new and improved&#039; does not allow for them to take a pass on truly improving services by merely adding new services that may themselves be in need of improvements. - best,ps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a really common misconception that has spread across campus over the past few years, that improvements in services (of any kind) should negate the need for more improvements or for those improvements to be actual improvements.  the duc was nice, and yet the way it was built leeds to systemic issues that can&#8217;t be address given the way in which the building was constructed.  dining services doesn&#8217;t need to take counts of students to know that the village, right next to the row and upperclassman dorms, should be open late,etc. regardless of the hours of various dining locations, the dining locations should be open with at least one 24 hr location on campus and which once it is is irrelevant so long as there is one to which students who haven&#8217;t anticipated being hungry have a safe location within walking distance from which to obtain food other than vending machines with respect to health concerns of those students needing food (the same reasoning for keeping whispers open 24 hrs). the old bears den never had ropes and lines and the students were able to work everything out on their own (even during drunk peek hours) just by bothering to take a second to ask the people around them if they had ordered yet, and then the rest fell on the cooks to remember what they are placing onto the grill (which even the high ones were able to do), and the atmoshpere was there in one that was friendly and where no one really was bothered by sitting there a few minutes while waiting on food because everyone was sociable and it was a place to socialize while waiting on food even during peek hours, thus leading to the students not having to facebook later in the day while studying.  yes, to a certain extent dining services have improved, however, the improvements themselves need to usual tweaking of beta versions, and that the services are &#8216;new and improved&#8217; does not allow for them to take a pass on truly improving services by merely adding new services that may themselves be in need of improvements. &#8211; best,ps</p>
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		<title>By: Jean h</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/09/30/campus-dining-debate-consumes-student-body/comment-page-1/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the idea of open forums, when will we have bookstore, parking, police, library administrators, etc.  come and explain openly their program as dining has done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the idea of open forums, when will we have bookstore, parking, police, library administrators, etc.  come and explain openly their program as dining has done</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/09/30/campus-dining-debate-consumes-student-body/comment-page-1/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dining&#039;s top administrators and the entire team should be commended for their efforts and changes they have brought to the dining program last year, this year is a bit challenging but everyone knows that next year a wonderful environment will be created for south 40...so all of us need to be patient and supportive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dining&#8217;s top administrators and the entire team should be commended for their efforts and changes they have brought to the dining program last year, this year is a bit challenging but everyone knows that next year a wonderful environment will be created for south 40&#8230;so all of us need to be patient and supportive</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny B</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/news/2009/09/30/campus-dining-debate-consumes-student-body/comment-page-1/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a junior and have seen tremendous improvement with the dining program last year; I hope that all of us recognize their hard work</description>
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