Comments on: University-backed smoking ban referendum to appear on ballot

By: SK

SK — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:13:58 +0000

Businesses will invariably pay the price for this social agenda. Do you think this is a good idea during a recession? Much like environmental changes, they are best done in times of prosperity, otherwise things go from bad to worse economically and who gets the blame? Next thing you know you have clear-cutting and strip-mining instead of incremental, symbiotic development.

Translation: If you put a nail in the coffin of ailing businesses, then you have zero support the next time a really important public health concern arises.

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By: marbee

marbee — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:44:43 +0000

This will be one more place I will NOT visit if a ban is passed. The world seems to be shrinking for me, but I still have places I can spend my money and it will NOT be in a smoking ban nanny place!

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By: Bob

Bob — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:07:30 +0000

Once the ban lobbyists find gullible lawmakers and get the first phase passed, they’ll be back for more. Now that Fast Eddies spent thousands to build a patio, that will be banned too. It’s all on page seven near the bottom as the “inside out” provision of the tobacco control rulebook. Most people are not aware that a well financed “war on smokers” even exists. That was our downfall in Illinois. We all had the lax attitude, “California fruits and nuts, good for them. No way it will happen in Chicago.”

http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf

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By: gene

gene — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:46:45 +0000

Just a reminder of the source of spam:

generalsn is no ordinary commenter, but a classic spammer.

His technique–flood every message board in the country, so that his lies can be repeated so often they look as if they just _might_ be true, and just _might_ represent a legitimate portion of the populace. Readers may be fooled that this commenter is actually a fanatic (or paid spammer) on a mission.

It seems almost a full-time job on generalsn’s part. He seems part of this weird cabal of maybe 20 people who post such nonsense on smoking bans. Are these spammers paid by PR firms? Tobacco companies? Do they own a convenience store or a ventilation company? Who else would spend so much time posting such arrant nonsense–yet never, ever show up out in the open, at legislative hearings?

This is the technique of the raving fanatics, the unethical, the Holocaust Deniers, the Flat Earthers.

Or the paid PR mavens.

And spammers like generalsn will destroy message boards as surely as they destroyed newsgroups in the ’90s.

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By: David

David — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:16:25 +0000

New York, Paris, Chicago, Kansas City… what do they all have in common? They have smoke free bars and restaurants! How is it that St. Louis County business groups seriously think they are going to lose money when in truth they will only gain more customers? Look at the example with Fast Eddy’s in Alton, IL. After the smoking ban they created an out door deck and their business has increased 20% according to radio reports.

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By: Bob

Bob — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:58:56 +0000

Just a reminder of the sources of the bans, more concerned with “social change” than the bans themselves:

http://www.rwjf.org/pr/product.jsp?ia=143&id=14912

And what the 99 million dollars was going to. Note on page seven the “inside -out”, provision going for patios later, AFTER business owners spend thousands of dollars to accommodate their smoking customers, clearly showing that they have ABSOLUTLY NO CONCERN about local issues or businesses.

http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf

Here’s the “model ban” from page eight that many communities copied, pasted, and passed. It’s the “smoking ban for dummies” It only takes a few minutes to fill in the blanks naming your community, the administrators names, and blanks to customize it to your community according to the width of your sidewalks, so it looks like local leaders worked tirelessly for extended time to originate it.

http://www.no-smoke.org/document.php?id=229

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By: Bob

Bob — Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:57:29 +0000

Be careful of the fine print on the ballot. The tax exempt American Cancer Society tricked the voters of Ohio into voting for a ban with exemptions, only to have them removed AFTER they were voter approved. If they got away with it once, you know they will do it again. Thank you American Cancer Society, we never knew all you do. The private vets clubs of Ohio who thought they were exempt according to the ballot learned what they do. I’m sure they are remembering them with with their donations and estate plans.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2007/04/30/smoking.html

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