We support the disinvitation of Marvin Casey and the BDS Movement
We, as undergraduate and graduate students of Washington University, write today in strong support of the courageous decision of the executive committee of the Universal Beatz event to disinvite the Israeli performer and cultural ambassador Marvin Casey. To be clear, our support for the disinvitation of Mr. Casey should not be misconstrued as blanket support for boycotting all Israelis and/or Israeli institutions. Mr. Casey was targeted for boycott not because of where he holds his citizenship, but because of his close association with the semi-governmental Jewish Agency for Israel. While many may see the Jewish Agency as a purely benign Jewish organization, it is in fact deeply involved in supporting the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine and Israel’s discriminatory policies. For example, on its Hebrew website, it proudly boasts of helping establish over two hundred illegal Jewish settlements—a polite euphemism for “colonies”—in the occupied Palestinian territories. And, it is also one of the driving organizations behind the new “Brand Israel” campaign, which seeks to whitewash Israel’s image by diverting attention from Israel’s occupation and war crimes and focusing it instead on Israel’s cultural, economic, and academic achievements. The boycott of Marvin Casey is a part of the larger international Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel until it complies with international law. This movement seeks to nonviolently challenge Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories and its discriminatory policies, following in the venerable tradition of the BDS movement against South African Apartheid, the Montgomery Bus Boycott led by Rosa Parks and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and Gandhi’s boycott of British goods in the struggle for Indian independence. In supporting BDS, the signatories below do not seek to “delegitimize Israel” or its citizens, as many critics of BDS frequently charge. That being said, the BDS movement does indeed proudly seek to delegitimize Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territories and its discriminatory policies. In short, BDS is a movement for equality before the law and, as Omar Barghouti said in his talk last night at Harvard, “Equality never destroys people. It destroys a racist system.” Pursuant to these goals, the BDS movement also objects to pro-Israel propaganda (e.g. “Brand Israel” campaign) that seeks to whitewash Israel’s crimes and normalize its apartheid policies.
While we applaud the decision of the executive committee of Universal Beatz to disinvite Mr. Casey, it is unfortunate that it subsequently felt compelled to disinvite its scheduled Palestinian performers in a naïve attempt to remain politically neutral. In choosing to remain “nonpolitical” in the face of injustice, Universal Beatz necessarily made a deeply political decision. As the South African Nobel Peace Laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu—himself a strong supporter of BDS against Israel—has astutely pointed out: “If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.”
For our part, we proudly join the St. Louis Palestine Solidarity Committee and millions of others throughout the world in supporting the Palestinian call for BDS against the state of Israel until Israel complies with international law and respects Palestinian rights. Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territories, continued theft and colonization of Palestinian land, and apartheid policies not only violate numerous UN resolutions and World Court (ICJ) rulings, but are an affront to the noble values of peace, love, and mutual understanding that underpin the Jewish tradition. It is time to hold the state of Israel accountable for its crimes against the Palestinians. It is time to say “no business as usual” so long as Israel maintains its suppressive status quo.

So what ever happened with this? I just stumbled on this while looking up Marvin Casey on Google? Frankly, it’s a shame what seems to have happened. In the name of justice, the guys agitating to disinvite Marvin simply endud up stifling freedom of expression and shut down the ability of people at Wash U to be exposed to talented performers, other cultures, and to make an informed decision on the issues themselves. When you shut down debate, close off the opportunity to experience other cultures and enrich your own experience.
Also, frankly, imho a lot of what was written in the petition is hooey – talking about Rosa Parks, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. context does a disservice to their memories, especially since the I read the other day that the Palestinian government regularly jails and beat Palestinian journalists who write things that the Palestinian government doesn’t like. This Palestinian journalist who used to be a member of the PLO was saying that the only safe place to be a Palestinian journalist where you can write the truth was actually by working in Israel for an Israeli paper. Kinda weird.
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Hooray Wash U! Didn’t think I’d see BDS at my old school for years to come. You guys are awesome. Respect to the students who made the call to support the cultural boycott.
http://ifamericansknew.com/
If it wasn’t for the fact that people not in the know actually believe what’s on there, I’d simply laugh it off. However Alison Weir seems to have quite a following. Now before you try and call me out for unfounded statements, I will say that yes, I DID go and sit quietly through one of her talks from beginning to end. For me, I think it was the part when she talked about Americans not understanding the Palestinian culture of “celebratory gunfire” that I started to reconsider what she was saying. “Celebratory gunfire” – her words, not mine – and we witnessed it on MSNBC and CNN on September 11th, 2001. Joy to the world – bang, bang.
red herring and irrelevant
Everything with you people is either “apartheid” or “red herring.” Your rhetoric isn’t original, you just regurgitate, thoughtlessly, the words of people like Wier or similarly affiliated organizations. Why was that a red herring? You cannot possibly explain how. It simply isn’t because it goes directly to the credibility of the person behind the mouthpiece. That’s not irrelevant. That’s not a red herring. Do you even know what you’re saying or do you just say it?
Adam writes, “To Arafat, you clearly dodged my point completely. I’m not saying any of the other Middle-Eastern nations are better or worse or shouldn’t be held to a certain standard. It’s just that none of the other nations are militarily occupying another people and another land (the Palestinian Territories).”
Good point, Adam. Even though Israel was a legally sanctioned country and there was no such thing as a Palestinian language, currency, or country there really is no Israel. It’s really just occupied Palestine.
Here is Adam’s logic writ large:
Could someone explain this conundrum for me?
Why is it Muslims are free to violently conquer lands anywhere and everywhere without a word of protest from American Muslims, or any Muslims for that matter, but if Jews have a legally established homeland Muslims will never stop protesting against it? Why is this do you suppose? What explanation can be given other than as the Qur’an states repeatedly that Islam’s goal is to establish a worldwide caliphate in which all non-Muslims are subjugated.
For instance, Mohammed was born around 571 AD thousands and thousands of years after Hinduism, Buddhism and Judaism existed. But within a few centuries of Mohammed’s birth Islam had violently conquered vast sections of Asia, all of North Africa and smaller sections of Southern Europe.
Now Muslims tell us that all this land belongs to them even though, for instance, in Afghanistan they killed every last Buddhist who once lived there. According to Muslim logic per Israel shouldn’t this land belong to the Buddhists?
Or in North Africa all the Berbers have been forcibly converted to Islam or have been killed and now we’re told all this vast landmass belongs to Islam. That’s interesting, if not completely hypocritical. And what about Southern Thailand. Did anyone know that in the last several years something like 5,000 Buddhists have been killed by Muslims because, or so we’re told, the land the Buddhists are on belongs to Islam. And Southern Russia? Muslims are relentlessly waging a slow reign of terror in Russia because, you guessed it, Russians are treating Muslims poorly and they should give up the Southern section of that country to Muslims.
Or, let’s take Sudan as another example. How many millions have been killed in Sudan? How many babies and children have starved in Sudan while Islamists steal the food from aid compounds? How many women have Muslims gang-raped in Sudan all because that land belongs to Muslims and only Muslims. All other people can go somewhere else to live, I guess.
And Kashmir? The same. Despite Hindus having lived there for 5,000 years – something like 4,000+ years before Mohammed was born – Muslims tell us Kashmir belongs to them. Amazing logic isn’t it?
And that brings us to Israel. Israel also belongs to Islam. Did you know that? It’s true. Even though it’s no bigger than a small pimple on the caliphate’s ass it is still their land and they will fight to the death to prove their point.
Doesn’t the logic here make a lot of sense. Isn’t it as clear as day? Of course it is. The world belongs to Islam and we’re mere players on their stage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtiKorMw9zg
In case you are wondering why the aptly-named BDS “movement” would choose as their latest, greatest accomplishment the banishment of a black man from their campus solely for being an Israeli black man (the whole JNF excuse for this behavior is so lame as to not warrant a response), keep in mind that the BDS project has been going on for over a decade now with less than nothing to show for itself.
Having targetted colleges and universities with divestment campaigns since 2001, not one school has divested a single share of stock which BDSers demanded blacklisting. Churches which one supported BDS have voted divestment petitions down by margins of 95-100%, and in the decade since the BDS project has started, the Israeli economy has doubled in size and support for Israel in the US has jumped 20%.
Which explains why this latest re-incarnation of the “movement” has had to rely on frauds and hoaxes (such as fake claims that schools like Hampshire or investors like TIAA-CREF have divested from the Jewish state) and pathetic stunts such as disrupting speakers and entertainers, or forbidding them from campuses for the crime of living in the Jewish state.
Get the rest of the scoop at http://www.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/8/9/3789971/divestthis_winning_against_bds.pdf
Whatever your views on the conflict, the use of a Mideast hip-hop week, which aims to highlight middle eastern culture and promote dialogue and further understanding of diverse cultures and complicated issues in the middle east, as a platform from which to preach a particular ideology is counterproductive and does not help anyone. Wouldn’t the cause of the Palestinian people have been helped more if the Palestinian performers and advocates had just come to the week to talk about their culture and daily life instead of concerning themselves with the other invitees? The initial threat of the boycott by these artists eventually took away their ability to create solidarity with their struggles among a new audience. This threat was an attempt to stifle freedom of expression of multiple viewpoints and from multiple cultures, which unfortunately succeeded. How does this help Palestinians?
By initially inviting Marvin Casey to perform, I’m pretty sure that Universal Beatz was not supporting the Jewish Agency. I am also pretty sure that the Jewish Agency would have gotten no money from Casey’s performance at WashU. If those who support this boycott really cared about the rights of Palestinians, they would have applauded and welcomed the Palestinian representatives who would have come and shared their stories, regardless of whoever else was invited. Similarly, the performers would have jumped at the opportunity to recount Palestinian struggles and to gain support rather than forfeiting this opportunity in an attempt to prevent others from speaking freely in an open forum.
Ironically, Marvin Casey’s affiliation with the Jewish Agency concerns funding that the organization gave him to initiate a program aiming, in Casey’s own words, “to bring people together of all backgrounds in the idea of creating dialogue and connection between them, while using hip hop as a medium” (http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2011/04/mideast_hip-hop_exchange_wash_u_universal_beatz.php). So, is this a boycott of initiatives that promote dialogue and understanding in an effort to work towards peace? I just don’t really understand the objection to an Israeli hip-hop artist coming to talk about his work when there are also Palestinian artists coming to do the same. Casey was not invited as a member of the Jewish Agency, nor as a representative of the Israeli government. He was coming to express himself, not to cover up or “whitewash” anything. However, I am sure in your desire to further promote your cause, you will respond telling me again about all the horrible things that Israel does and how they are all embodied my Marvin Casey. So, I invite you to reply below…
http://www.thejewishweek.com/features/godsend/how_marvin_met_oshrat
the face of israeli apartheid
you people should be ashamed
Walt, this is exactly what the point is. Marvin Casey is the perfect example of what the “Brand Israel” campaign wants to do: it wants to whitewash Israel’s apartheid policies and war crimes by putting forward a liberal, multicultural image to the world. you made the point for us! the fact that israel has citizens like Mr. Casey does not change the fact that it is carrying out a brutal and illegal occupation of Palestinian territories. so, no, nothing to be ashamed of.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2hTspxeLho
so, they should be more like the arabs?
give me a break
and please cease with the “illegal occupation” meme
the disputed territory was held by jordan from 48-67.
during that time, not once did the arabs residing on that land demand an end to that occupation
not once did they demand statehood
israel liberated that land from its occupiers
Walt, obviously you arent very well-acquainted with the history of the area. and yes, the israeli occupation has been declared illegal by both numerous UN resolutions and World Court (ICJ) decisions. Only someone who wants to deliberate distort the facts could deny that. Even the U.S. gov’t considers Israel’s occupation of lands taken in 1967 to be illegitimate.
well, obviously i am
and both the un and the world court have become joke institutions, dedicated to the preservation of tyrannical regimes
and the united states expects both sides to adhere to resolution 181
and the day when hamas removes from its charter, the call for the destruction of israel…we can talk
till then….land for peace still stands
no peace…no return of any more land
get it? got it? good
Matt,
Like walt said, “you should be ashamed” but he presumes you can feel shame.
Here’s someone who has the courage to speak the truth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZgtpuwFVYs&feature=player_embedded
and omar barghoutti attends university in israel…partially supported by the israeli tax payer dollar
when will you boycott that hypocrite?
so, they supported the disinviting of an african american who now resides in israel
shades of jim crow
how brave of them
Walt, this is exactly what the point is. Marvin Casey is the perfect example of what the “Brand Israel” campaign wants to do: it wants to whitewash Israel’s apartheid policies and war crimes by putting forward a liberal, multicultural image to the world. you made the point for us! the fact that israel has african american citizens like Mr. Casey does not change the fact that it is carrying out a brutal and illegal occupation of Palestinian territories. so, no, no jim crow here–if you want to see brutal oppression of a group of people because of their race/ethnicity you need to go see the Israeli occupation in the west bank and check out the “Jewish only” roads and settlements (i.e. colonies on stolen land) there.
there is not one jewish only road anywhere in israel or the disputed territories…not one
your side continues to spread lies….just as hamas continues to fire rockets
yes, Walt, there are Jewish-only settlements with roads running to them. although some arab israelis and palestinians from East Jerusalem can use these roads (not without harassment, which i have seen firsthand), the palestinians whose land they stole to build them cannot use them. thus, functionally they become jewish-only roads that services the Jewish-only settlements built on stolen palestinian land.
http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2011/04/apartheid-roads-video-clip.html
http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2011/04/more-on-apartheid-roads-theme.html
keep lying
how much does the ism pay you?
btw…care to explain how the arabs owned land that was considered public under the ottoman regime
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Israel is doing a terrible job of being an apartheid state. Palestinians have their own legal political parties and serve in the parliament. There is a Palestinian Supreme Court Justice. They serve in the military and vote in elections. Considering all the rights Palestinians have as Israeli citizens, Israel simply fails as an apartheid state.
Israel should look towards the many Muslim countries for a model. These Many of these countries deny women any sort of civil rights and murder offenders. These countries outlaw homosexuality and murder any offender. Israel takes Muslim homosexuals from these other countries who seek political asylum. Who seems more like the apartheid?
As an Israeli myself, I know that sometimes it is very hard to see ourselves as part of an oppressive state regime, and suffer the consequences of boycotts and strikes. However, I salute the decision to boycott Israeli state-sponsored cultural events. BDS is the only tool we have as people to stop the on going destruction of Palestine/ Israel, and effect real change towards a more democratic future.
As a Palestinian myself, I know that sometimes it is very hard to seeourselves as part of an oppressive religion and suffer the consequences of the brainwashing inherent to that religion. However, I slaute the decision to boycott Muslim state-sponsored events. BDS is the only tool we have as people to stop the on going destruction of Sudan, Somalia, Nigeria, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Mauritania, Niger, Bangladesh, the caucus region, southern Russia, NW China, southern Thailand, Indoensia, Malaysia, Algeria, etc….and effect real change towards a more democratic fututre.
Allahu Akbar!
Interesting how you appeal to Gandhi, for when asked directly if “the Jews should have committed collective suicide,” he responded “Yes, that would have been heroism (see: http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004247.html).” That is exactly what would happen if Israel, rather than fight back in the extremely restrained fashion they already have, turned an even blinder eye to Palestinian terrorism.
Mind you, if you insist on using the Gandhi motif, let us recall that Israel’s creation was as much a rejection of British imperialism as India’s. To that end, Israel is the product of decolonization, and therefore cannot itself be a colonizing power.
The territory in dispute was won through defensive warfare. If one reviews the international law without an initial anti-Israel bias in mind, it becomes readily evident that Israel has ownership or the right to assert ownership over those territories (see: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-illegal-settlements-myth/). In practice, this means that Israel’s actions are no more problematic than the US federal government apportioning aid to the various states at unequal levels, or two states having different gun laws.
As to the Brand Israel campaign, decrying that would be the equivalent of getting angry at US travel agencies advertising abroad and talking about the vibrant nightlife and ample cultural centers available here, instead of emphasizing how the US came to being through the taking of Native American lands. In other words, you’re holding the JA to a standard you wouldn’t hold an American equivalent, so that you can try and find acceptable terms in which to couch your anti-zionism, which itself is just a mask for your anti-semitism (or Jewish self-loathing as may be the case for some).
That you condemn the disinvitation of the Palestinian performers is stunning, insofar as they were not disinvited. Rather, they indicated an intent to boycott, and once their demands were met, they were not actively invited for a second time. It is they who sewed the seeds for their own exclusion.
Oh, and since you like to cite MLK as well, I shall leave you with a couple of quotes from him (see: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/martin-luther-king-jr-supporter-of-israel.html):
“Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.”
“When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism.”
Sigh Caleb…I wish you would just stay on your blog, but since you took the time to come here, I feel obligated to inform you, that it is possible to criticize Israel without being an anti-semite. Similarly, it is possible to criticize the US without being a communist, nazi, terrorist, or some combination thereof (even impossible combinations).
Yes it is true the the US took land from the Native Americans by force, deception, and other rather offensive means. However, this does not mean that we should stay our hand and stop commenting on this issue. If we do, we also have no right to comment on modern slavery and human trafficking that is tragically common in many parts of the world.
Israel’s assertion that only unconditional support is acceptable no longer holds in the post-Bush era.
I, too, will end with a stirring quote:
“If both sides agree on anything, it’s that the definition of ‘anti-Semitism’ has been manipulated for political ends. Leftists accuse ardent Zionists of inflating the definition to include–and discredit–critics of Israel. Zionists accuse the left of deflating the definition to apologize for covert prejudice against Jews.”
–Michael Neumann (Self-loathing Jew)
the problem is…your side doesnt criticize…it demonizes
there is a difference
and those that demonize israel are indeed jew haters
and those that boycott an african american israeli are racists and jew haters
its as simple as that
“Please remove the fence so I can work” is not demonization. “Please allow me to live where I want” is not demonization. “Please compensate me for the loss of my property” is not demonization.
please remove the terrorists so that israel might be able to remove the fence
good fences make good neighbors
and when the jews who have been expelled from arab lands get compensation for the billions that was stolen from them…give me a call
my brother in law could use the money
You speak about good demonization, but I have news for you…not all Muslims are terrorists. You probably never thought of this. Did you ever think that the wall may play into the propaganda against Israel? Unlikely. You can do no wrong. It appears that the only hope is Palestinian statehood to force the world to look on the Palestinian residents as equals rather than animals that need to be caged.
“I’ll make peace if the other guy does it first.” That’s what I like to see from Westernized nations. Maybe if there was less shrapnel stamped with ‘IDF’ in their bedroom there would be fewer opportunities to exploit them in their youth and turn them into what you fear. This all comes down to unexplainable paranoia between Jews and Muslims in the area. The world is not out to get Israel. I should have known better than to try to contribute to a dead-end discussion.
Yeah, voice of reason has a point. He is clearly not only “reasonable” but also compassionate too. (George orwell where are you when we need you?)
Here is what voice of reason is really hoping for being the reasonable, compassionate man that he is:
http://www.adl.org/Israel/israel_attacks.asp
Please, criticize Israel where appropriate. I’ve done so on several occasions, including as a guest columnist on Israel National News. The issue isn’t criticism, but as Walt says, demonization. People like you hold Israel to a standard you don’t any other country, and to me that insists a suspect underlying motivation.
Is any other country like Israel? The situation is very unique so it’s only logical for the standards that we hold the country to be unique.
Adam that’s very thoughtful of you. You’re right we shouldn’t hold Israel up to the same standards as the despotic, theocratic nations of Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, Mauritania, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, or Kuwait, Dubai, Bahrain, Yemen, or Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, or Mali. We should hold Israel up to a different standard.
Sure, Israel’s surrounded by something like 300 million people who want to kill the Jews in Israel, and sure Israel is a pimple on the ass (in terms of land mass) of the Islamic caliphate, and sure there’s not a day that goes by that Israel is not subject to degrading remarks from holier-than-thou Europeans, or smart-ass American college punks, or for that matter rocket fire from Hamas, attempted murderous infiltration from the West Bank, etc…but that’s too bad because we don’t hold all those varied parties up to any special standards so let them get away with murder, so to speak.
Yeah, Adam, we should hold Israel up to a different standard. And, Adam, what standard would you hold Israel up to and why? Would it be to some standard from Milton’s book “Utopia” or some such BS like that?
Here is the standard Israel chooses to live by:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo
But undoubtedly this is not high enough standard for you. Maybe one day we can all live up to your standards, yourself included.
To Arafat, you clearly dodged my point completely. I’m not saying any of the other Middle-Eastern nations are better or worse or shouldn’t be held to a certain standard. It’s just that none of the other nations are militarily occupying another people and another land (the Palestinian Territories). Notice how I’m not posting propaganda to support my cause? I would rather you make an argument rather than post videos that are clearly biased. Until Israel provides for full autonomy and sovereignty for the Palestinian territories, they should be held to the standard of an occupying country, of which they are.
I see nothing wrong with what these students have said. They seek equality and justice through a non violent movement. They clearly state
that Casey was not boycotted because of his Israeli citizenship. I know these students will receive a lot of flack for taking this courageous stand, but I applaud then for taking it. This should be something we all applaud if we believe in human rights.
I believe in human rights.
Do Israel’s enemies?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/01/people-picture-muslims-with-a-quran-in-one-hand-and-a-sword-in-the-other.html
The BDS movement is supported by millions of people around the world because it is a moral and nonviolent struggle for respect of international law and human rights. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict will not be solved if people cling to tribal and ethnic loyalties. Equality is the only way to save both people from despair. Thanks for this article.
Yes, and if the cause that they support would be as passionate about nonviolence as these supporters of the BDS movement, there would be no need for a cause, as the Palestinians would already have a state.
so are you calling for the arabs to cease their tribal and ehtnic loyalties?
didnt think so
Funny, these guys who claim Palestinians have a right to go back to their homeland, are the same guys who are adamantly opposed to Jews moving back to their homeland after those Jews were kicked out of every Muslim country in the world. Also, if they are not anti-Jewish, and are truly concerned only with human rights, why do they not boycott the Arab and Muslimc countries for their blatant discrimination against Jews and Christians, against Women, against Bahais? Why do they not boycott England for occupying the Flaklands? Boycott the US for occupying Afghanistan? Boycott Saudi Arabia for what it just did in Bahrain? If they are only focused on Jews but ignore the actions of others, are they not treating Jews to a different standard? If so, are they not anti-Jewish?
David let’s get real. Just because Muslims are committing genocide against Christians doesn’t give you the right to mention it. You’re an Islamophobe!
http://www.hudson-ny.org/1685/muslim-genocide-of-christians
This is a well-articulated stand. Thank you for explaining the BDS movement so well. Equality is never to be feared.
Equality is never to be feared.
Couldn’t of said it better myself.
“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says, kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! …Whatever good there is, exists thanks to the sword, and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient, except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! …Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”—Ayatollah Khomeini (1902-1989) Iran’s Supreme Leader from 1979 to 1989—the highest ranking political and religious authority of the nation.
Rather than take this quote wholeheartedly, how about you look into the context of those verses of the Qur’an everyone loves to take out of context… Also, religion is not the issue. Palestinians are not all Muslim.
Adam, good point that of taking the quotes out of context.
Is that what devout Muslims do when they quote chapter and verse from the Qur’an before strapping homicide vests on?
And what of the devout Muslims (presumably they know the Qur’an, no?) who quote chapter and verse from the Qur’an before cutting journalist and aid worker’s heads off?
Adam, how did you ever get so darn smart? sarc/off
Yes, quoting out of context goes both ways. No one is saying the extremists are justified, they are obviously not. Suicide bombers are largely brainwashed by “higher level” extremists and those who wish to push a violent agenda. NO ONE IS SUPPORTING THAT, INCLUDING ME. One of the worst sins in Islam is murder and suicide, so God will judge those people accordingly, it’s not our job to judge them nor use them as examples for a people as whole. I don’t appreciate your attacks on me, I have done nothing to you so either be civil or continue to preach hate and baseless accusations. May God have mercy on us all.
Thank you all for your courageous stance in putting human rights first.
I’m having trouble with the one-sided arguments giving the Palestinians a free pass in this debate. Consider the Israeli point of view and cities like Sderot or even Jerusalem or Tel Aviv. Is is not a “human right” to simply be allowed to send your child into a pizza place for an after-school snack without fear of them being blown up? Isn’t it a “human right” to not have to worry that the bus you take to work could be the victim of an explosive device at the side of the road? What about the thousands of rockets that have been launched at Israel from civilian homes in Gaza where Hamas hides?
If St. Louis was under constant siege and students couldn’t get to the ballgame without risking death on the metro train, I think the reaction might be a little different.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-24/world/jerusalem.bombing_1_rocket-attacks-jerusalem-attack-southern-israeli-town?_s=PM:WORLD
I think if we are to let the one without any fault cast the first stone, there ought to be a stalemate as to which side throws first.
~RGK
Yet your very comment is also one-sided, and extremely one-sided at that. I will leave you with this, good sir:
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=215453
While Israeli children fear of death, Palestinian children are meeting death.
Yeah – because when mommy and daddy strap a bomb to you and tell you that it’s for Allah, you’re going to meet your death. It’s pretty simple. They’re blowing up toddlers. They’re brainwashing them and turning them into terrorists. Maybe you haven’t seen their preschools and what they teach – they teach them to hate, to kill, to idolize weapons, and hate non-Muslims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZT7Fe1HpoE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VfhK-nTXww&feature=related
I cannot wrap my head around how you can just ignore this and bandy around words like “apartheid” and whatever other ridiculously inaccurate rhetoric you may want. These kids are raised to murder. They don’t have childhoods – they have training in death. How can you just brush all of this off and blame Israel for the world’s problems?
Adam (or should I say “good sir”),
If the shoe were on the other foot there would not be one Jewish baby left in the Middle East. That’s what you’re supporting whether you’re smart enough, or not, to know it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo
Adam,
We all love babies, didn’t you know that?
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/07/hey-kids-come-watch-a-dramatization-of-your-moms-death-by-suicide-bombing.html
Can you feel the love, Adam?
To the past three comments:
When was the last suicide bombing? Currently, the only reason Palestinian children are dying is because of Israeli attacks.
Also, they are not taught to hate, or kill, or idolize weapons, or hate non-Muslims. The longer this situation goes for the longer the people will suffer and fall into the human nature of hating those who are suppressing and oppressing them. It’s simple psychology. The Palestinians are people too, they just want to live peacefully, regardless of what your idea of Palestinians may be due to the media. I have only been kind and polite in my responses, I would like to expect the same in return. It doesn’t matter that our opinions differ, we should be able to have a civil conversation.
Yes, yes, YES! We need more human rights like they do it in the Muslim world.
Take that Italian guy who was fighting for human rights in Gaza until Hamas kidnapped him and then he was fighting for his own life.
He lost both fights. What is it about Islamists that make human rights and non-Muslim lives so utterly cheap?
Adam,
As always you’re right again. Of course they’re not taught to hate, or kill, or idolize weapons. All those countless videos of them being taught to hate, or kill or idolize weapons were really just made up out of thin air. They’re not real videos and the kids in them are not real kids. It’s all make believe, like the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. (At least in Adam’s mind it is.)
Oh wait, Adam then writes, “The longer this situation goes for the longer the people will suffer and fall into the human nature of hating those who are suppressing and oppressing them.”
I’m confused, Adam, so they do, or don’t hate? It can’t be both ways. Or, is what you’re saying is that they do hate, but it’s Israel’s fault that they hate. I get it now.
That’s like all the people killed over the Danish cartoons were killed by the cartoonist, not by those who actually pulled the trigger, right? Or all those killed recently in Afghanistan by those “protesting the Qur’an burning” were really killed by Pastor Jones, not by those who slit the UN worker’s throats. Yeah. This makes sense to me too now.
Only problem, Adam, is this sounds an awful lot like the “Twinkie” defense. And let’s not forget the fact that Muslims “appear” to have an almost reflex reaction towards killing over most anything. Take southern Thailand as an example. Muslims have killed 5,000 Buddhists in southern Thailand. Is that because those oppressive, repressive Buddhist monks made them do it? Were the monks chanting too loudly and this forced the Muslims to kill them? Is this what you’re saying. By your logic when Hamas operatives throw Fatah operatives off of rooftops the only reason they did so was because Israel forced them to do it because those poor, underprivileged Hamas operatives are so repressed and oppressed by those big, bully Israelis that they’re left with little choice but to toss people off buildings, because if they did not, who knows, they might go insane with the anguish. I get it now.
But how does this explain the fact that Islam’s prophet, Mohammed, did the same thing — more, or less. Mohammed killed people, raped women, enslaved people, robbed people of their possessions, livelihood and life. Yup, Adam, you can look this all up. Mohammed was no Jesus Christ, my fired. Mohammed IS Muslim’s prophet. You don’t suppose he might have a teeny-weeny influence over his “flock”? You don’t suppose the words of Mohammed, as recorded in the Qur’an and Hadiths about hating non-Muslims (and particularly Jews) might not have some influence over why Muslim’s propensity towards violence is so, well, dare we say natural?
Nahhh…couldn’t be. It’s those damn Israeli’s fault. You’re right, again, Adam.