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		<title>By: Two Gays and their Blog &#8212; Selected Thoughts &#171; Pride Revised</title>
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		<dc:creator>Two Gays and their Blog &#8212; Selected Thoughts &#171; Pride Revised</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 07:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] “queer” in its most literal of meanings, and proud of it! On the other, there are those who don’t see the use of a community of outsiders, preferring to say, “Yes I’m gay, what of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/forum/2009/10/09/should-we-take-gay-pride-parades-seriously/#comment-12833</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s not offended by their sexuality itself. He&#039;s offended by the lack of self-control they show with their sexuality in the parades. I&#039;m sure he&#039;d be just as offended if there was a &quot;Straight Pride parade&quot; showing the same sort of lack of self-control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s not offended by their sexuality itself. He&#8217;s offended by the lack of self-control they show with their sexuality in the parades. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;d be just as offended if there was a &#8220;Straight Pride parade&#8221; showing the same sort of lack of self-control.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What disturbs me even more about these pride parades is that anytime anyone even simply disagrees with the obnoxious image the parades are sometimes creating, many people go and pull the &quot;homophobe&quot; card and try to label that person as a closed-minded hate monger. That kind of response is just a cop-out to evade the responsibility of their actions and the consequences that follow. Remember, you can&#039;t force other people to accept your sexuality on a personal level. Getting to the point where you viciously attack even peaceful disagreement only makes you as the bad as the people who viciously attack you just for being a homosexual.

Disliking the parades does not automatically mean a person is intolerant of homosexuality. I know homosexuals who also do not agree with these pride parades. They are tired of being associated with events that paint them with an image of sex-crazed lunatics having no self-control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What disturbs me even more about these pride parades is that anytime anyone even simply disagrees with the obnoxious image the parades are sometimes creating, many people go and pull the &#8220;homophobe&#8221; card and try to label that person as a closed-minded hate monger. That kind of response is just a cop-out to evade the responsibility of their actions and the consequences that follow. Remember, you can&#8217;t force other people to accept your sexuality on a personal level. Getting to the point where you viciously attack even peaceful disagreement only makes you as the bad as the people who viciously attack you just for being a homosexual.</p>
<p>Disliking the parades does not automatically mean a person is intolerant of homosexuality. I know homosexuals who also do not agree with these pride parades. They are tired of being associated with events that paint them with an image of sex-crazed lunatics having no self-control.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With freedom comes responsibility. Much of the outlandish behavior only shows a lack of self-control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With freedom comes responsibility. Much of the outlandish behavior only shows a lack of self-control.</p>
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		<title>By: jenni</title>
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		<dc:creator>jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’d rather see a gay pride parade where they showed the sexual side, but not only the sexual side&quot;

I am from San Francisco, and have attended a number of LGBT Pride Parades. In addition to a celebratory display of homosexuality, and this does entail flamboyant costumes, dancing, etc., that seems to offend you, there are a number of people that represent themselves as what you would call normal. For example, LGBT police officers march in uniform and families with same-sex parents march with their children in strollers. Clearly you have never been to a pride parade. Perhaps you should take your issues up with the media outlets that choose to show only the provocative aspects of the parade. Better yet, as a reporter, attend one for yourself and report on the many diverse aspects of the parade. That said, pride parades aren&#039;t a meant to be an intellectual debate about what it means to be human. They are meant to be a celebration of a very diverse community in which many members are proud of their sexuality and want to display this very aspect of their identity that they have been marginalized for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’d rather see a gay pride parade where they showed the sexual side, but not only the sexual side&#8221;</p>
<p>I am from San Francisco, and have attended a number of LGBT Pride Parades. In addition to a celebratory display of homosexuality, and this does entail flamboyant costumes, dancing, etc., that seems to offend you, there are a number of people that represent themselves as what you would call normal. For example, LGBT police officers march in uniform and families with same-sex parents march with their children in strollers. Clearly you have never been to a pride parade. Perhaps you should take your issues up with the media outlets that choose to show only the provocative aspects of the parade. Better yet, as a reporter, attend one for yourself and report on the many diverse aspects of the parade. That said, pride parades aren&#8217;t a meant to be an intellectual debate about what it means to be human. They are meant to be a celebration of a very diverse community in which many members are proud of their sexuality and want to display this very aspect of their identity that they have been marginalized for.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/forum/2009/10/09/should-we-take-gay-pride-parades-seriously/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who said that &quot;the goal of the gay and lesbian community is to gain acceptance within mainstream culture?&quot; Gay pride parades are not advocating &quot;non-heterosexual lifestyles. They are, and always have been, about rebelling against the stringent rules of the heteronormative hegemony. There is a difference between heterosexual and heteronormative. Please look it up.

Gay culture back in 60s, 70s, and 80s used to be about freedom and exploration. But as gay culture became more and more incorporated into the mainstream, it was forced to adopt the rules of the mainstream. Homosexual relationships must be monogamous, partners must be of the same race, both partners must be successful, contributing members of society, etc.

I advocate more outlandish behavior at gay pride parades. Keep it about freedom, not about acceptance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who said that &#8220;the goal of the gay and lesbian community is to gain acceptance within mainstream culture?&#8221; Gay pride parades are not advocating &#8220;non-heterosexual lifestyles. They are, and always have been, about rebelling against the stringent rules of the heteronormative hegemony. There is a difference between heterosexual and heteronormative. Please look it up.</p>
<p>Gay culture back in 60s, 70s, and 80s used to be about freedom and exploration. But as gay culture became more and more incorporated into the mainstream, it was forced to adopt the rules of the mainstream. Homosexual relationships must be monogamous, partners must be of the same race, both partners must be successful, contributing members of society, etc.</p>
<p>I advocate more outlandish behavior at gay pride parades. Keep it about freedom, not about acceptance.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Sundar</title>
		<link>http://www.studlife.com/forum/2009/10/09/should-we-take-gay-pride-parades-seriously/#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ Sundar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really quick...
Dan: Research the topic again. The government of Belgrade banned all public gatherings the weekend of the parade, effectively banning it. Check wikipedia or Belgrade Parade&#039;s website.

Jamie: All gay pride parades are registered as fundraisers, and historically, raising money for AIDS awareness and treatment/prevention have been strongly linked to gay pride parades. Maybe it&#039;s not the only purpose, but it&#039;s definitely one of them (as I mention in the article, along with promoting awareness and acceptance of the community), and very, very few parades (if any) don&#039;t have a fundraiser associated with AIDS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really quick&#8230;<br />
Dan: Research the topic again. The government of Belgrade banned all public gatherings the weekend of the parade, effectively banning it. Check wikipedia or Belgrade Parade&#8217;s website.</p>
<p>Jamie: All gay pride parades are registered as fundraisers, and historically, raising money for AIDS awareness and treatment/prevention have been strongly linked to gay pride parades. Maybe it&#8217;s not the only purpose, but it&#8217;s definitely one of them (as I mention in the article, along with promoting awareness and acceptance of the community), and very, very few parades (if any) don&#8217;t have a fundraiser associated with AIDS.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Sundar</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Sundar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason:

Please read my reply to David again. It&#039;s not that I personally care about what they do, but that I can&#039;t take them seriously on an intellectual level because their message (a valid one: that society should accept differences in sexual orientation) comes packaged with things that undermine the point they&#039;re trying to convey. Perhaps my word choice of saying &quot;offensive sexuality&quot; was amiss (I was trying to get at the notion that it offends my intellectual sensibilities), but regardless I think the tone and thrust of my article is clear enough that nitpicking at one word in the entire article is pretty trivial (along with the fact that I mention multiple times in the article that I am not anti-gay, nor am I offended by homosexuality).

I did write that it&#039;s a terrible idea to shock and offend those very same people you wish to persuade and support you. That doesn&#039;t mean me - they don&#039;t need to persuade me, I&#039;m already on their face - it means a large part of the general public at large that are offended by the behavior at gay pride parades. I&#039;m not offended because I know and have worked with gay people and understand that there&#039;s more to them than what goes on in the parades. A lot of people, on the other hand, have never done so (either because of ignorance or homophobia), and only see what&#039;s on TV, leading them to conclude that what&#039;s on TV is the whole picture. Frankly, I don&#039;t see how anybody can think that it is.

I&#039;m not really offended by what goes on in gay pride parades (I&#039;ve seen far worse; 2 minutes on 2girls1cup took care of that), but you ask me &quot;then why not watch the parade?&quot; The answer to that question is the whole point of my article, which you missed in your attempt to pigeonhole me into being anti-gay. The reason I don&#039;t watch the parades is because I think they&#039;re counterproductive - I&#039;d rather see a gay pride parade where they showed the sexual side, but not only the sexual side. I&#039;d like to see informed, intellectual debate that takes into account all aspects of what it means to be a human being - straight or gay, white or black, man or woman.  One thing that is worth mentioning is that it&#039;s not just me saying this - people within the gay community espouse similar views to mine (something I found out after writing the article, and something I was glad to find).

If you would like to continue this discussion, please e-mail me at asundar@wustl.edu. Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason:</p>
<p>Please read my reply to David again. It&#8217;s not that I personally care about what they do, but that I can&#8217;t take them seriously on an intellectual level because their message (a valid one: that society should accept differences in sexual orientation) comes packaged with things that undermine the point they&#8217;re trying to convey. Perhaps my word choice of saying &#8220;offensive sexuality&#8221; was amiss (I was trying to get at the notion that it offends my intellectual sensibilities), but regardless I think the tone and thrust of my article is clear enough that nitpicking at one word in the entire article is pretty trivial (along with the fact that I mention multiple times in the article that I am not anti-gay, nor am I offended by homosexuality).</p>
<p>I did write that it&#8217;s a terrible idea to shock and offend those very same people you wish to persuade and support you. That doesn&#8217;t mean me &#8211; they don&#8217;t need to persuade me, I&#8217;m already on their face &#8211; it means a large part of the general public at large that are offended by the behavior at gay pride parades. I&#8217;m not offended because I know and have worked with gay people and understand that there&#8217;s more to them than what goes on in the parades. A lot of people, on the other hand, have never done so (either because of ignorance or homophobia), and only see what&#8217;s on TV, leading them to conclude that what&#8217;s on TV is the whole picture. Frankly, I don&#8217;t see how anybody can think that it is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really offended by what goes on in gay pride parades (I&#8217;ve seen far worse; 2 minutes on 2girls1cup took care of that), but you ask me &#8220;then why not watch the parade?&#8221; The answer to that question is the whole point of my article, which you missed in your attempt to pigeonhole me into being anti-gay. The reason I don&#8217;t watch the parades is because I think they&#8217;re counterproductive &#8211; I&#8217;d rather see a gay pride parade where they showed the sexual side, but not only the sexual side. I&#8217;d like to see informed, intellectual debate that takes into account all aspects of what it means to be a human being &#8211; straight or gay, white or black, man or woman.  One thing that is worth mentioning is that it&#8217;s not just me saying this &#8211; people within the gay community espouse similar views to mine (something I found out after writing the article, and something I was glad to find).</p>
<p>If you would like to continue this discussion, please e-mail me at <a href="mailto:asundar@wustl.edu">asundar@wustl.edu</a>. Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ehm, i don&#039;t think the purpose of all gay pride parades is to raise aids awareness money.

obviously aids is a super important and pressing issue, but as an lgbt activist, i&#039;m pretty uncomfortable with people always putting aids and gay together. we&#039;re trying to fix that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ehm, i don&#8217;t think the purpose of all gay pride parades is to raise aids awareness money.</p>
<p>obviously aids is a super important and pressing issue, but as an lgbt activist, i&#8217;m pretty uncomfortable with people always putting aids and gay together. we&#8217;re trying to fix that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Clevenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Clevenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did AJ Sundar actually read his own article? In his response to David, he claims, &quot;I don’t find any shock and offense in homosexuals nor in the parades, even if you erroneously claim that I do.&quot;  Yet in the article, he states, &quot;...I don’t find myself watching for too long. The amount of blatant, overt and &lt;em&gt;offensive&lt;/em&gt; sexuality...&quot; and then several sentences later, &quot;it’s a terrible idea to &lt;em&gt;shock and offend&lt;/em&gt; those very same people you wish to persuade to support you.&quot; Which is it Mr. Sundar? Are you shocked and offended or not. If not, then why not watch the parade? If you are, then own up to it. More importantly, if you are not shocked and offended as you claim, why are we to assume that someone else is? The weight of your argument rests on the shocking and offensive nature of the parades. Yet you disavow both attitudes personally. For all the other problems with your argument, it fails down at the basic level of relying on  unsubstantiated claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did AJ Sundar actually read his own article? In his response to David, he claims, &#8220;I don’t find any shock and offense in homosexuals nor in the parades, even if you erroneously claim that I do.&#8221;  Yet in the article, he states, &#8220;&#8230;I don’t find myself watching for too long. The amount of blatant, overt and <em>offensive</em> sexuality&#8230;&#8221; and then several sentences later, &#8220;it’s a terrible idea to <em>shock and offend</em> those very same people you wish to persuade to support you.&#8221; Which is it Mr. Sundar? Are you shocked and offended or not. If not, then why not watch the parade? If you are, then own up to it. More importantly, if you are not shocked and offended as you claim, why are we to assume that someone else is? The weight of your argument rests on the shocking and offensive nature of the parades. Yet you disavow both attitudes personally. For all the other problems with your argument, it fails down at the basic level of relying on  unsubstantiated claims.</p>
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